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and tamerlan, the older brother, stood up and argued. then in january there was a praise for martin luther king jr. and he got up and called someone a hypocrite. he had to leave. >>gretchen: ostensibly this younger guy didn't know anything about the bombing until a week before. if that is true, that lends to what we were discussing this morning that he was just an underling. it brings out the story that the parents were absent. the parents had gone back to russia and this 19-year-old kid was able to be swayed by the older brother. it appears he was the one that radicalized himself. i'm not saying he's not to blame at all. >>brian: there's no way you should believe -- everyone's apparently running with this story. you've got to be kidding me. you question him for 90 seconds as he's come out of a harrowing situation like this. he's in self-preservation mode. this guy needs to be questioned for a couple of weeks, needs to see if his story line is up. then you've got to drill down on it with professional interrogators. he does not need to see his miranda rights read to him in bed. laughable. >>stev
investigation into his older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev claiming the fbi was not as thorough as it should have been. the fbi's monitoring a foreign-born citizens living within the u.s. is more complex than is being acknowledged. fbi surveillance is more complex than simply targeting people who look like they might be terrorists as former congressman joe walsh would have you think. >> we're at war and this country got a stark reminder last week, again, that we're at war. and not only should we take a pause, when it comes to our immigration, we need to begin profiling who our enemy is in this war. young, muslim men. >> john: for more on this, i'm pleased to be joined by mike german a former fbi special agent who now works as senior policy council with the aclu. pleasure to have you here, mr. german. what a resume you have. >> thank you very much. a little unusual. >> john: it is fascinating. seeing you've been on both sides of this, both monitoring extremist groups as an agent with the fbi and now working to protect people's civil rights at the aclu, how difficult is the balance between thorough
. senator grassley actually rought this up, again, how tightened up security. 's clear that tamerlan tsarnaev, they had no record of him going to russia or coming back because his name was misspelled. by a place where we don't have regulations, a foreign airline. under our bill, everything would have to be pass -- passport or machine-read that so type of mistake could not occur. if our bill were law, isn't it a pretty safe guess that the authorities would have known that tsarnaev went to russia and came back? >> if i might, there are redundancies now in the system so there was a ping on the outbound to customs. this is my understanding, this has been kind of changing picture, but even regardless of that, anything that makes a requirement for machine-readable gets manual inputting out of the system, imprombings security. >> all right. ok. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. >> thank you. it was a revelation to go down on the border. we actually watched and illegal border crossing while we were there. >> and an apprehension. >> as you hear. and an apprehension. a quick one, too. >>
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